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profiles sometimes promoting. >> we run this suspicious x photos through a reverse image search engine and found they were lifted from instagram posts sudden patterns emerged the fake accounts repost each other. it's a sign of a coordinated campaign. several of the fake accounts posted the exact same wording. if you're voting for the man who survived an assassination attempt, i want to follow you it's another sign the accounts are linked and that's not all some of the accounts manipulated the images of these women have a look at debby's post, the original on instagram, and now the fake one on x hat now reads make america great again look at this t-shirt before, and then trump 2024. for now, we don't know who is behind all these accounts but the former u.s. national security council spokeswoman, who also used to

investigate fake accounts for twitter, told us this i don't think it's unreasonable to ask questions about could there be a state actor involved we know that there are multiple state actors who have been using social media to try to sow, disinformation campaigns and the run-up to the 2024 election regardless, the accounts are reaching influential politicians yeah doug mastriano, a republican state senator for pennsylvania, follows debby's fake account cnn contacted the senator about the account, but has not heard back back in germany, debby is shocked and upset that her image is being used in this way with president trump. >> now, back on x elon musk, the owner of x, throwing his weight behind him, fake pro trump content appears to be flourishing let's think the, real women affected once again, women's rights at the very heart of this presidential

election well, we did reach out to x regarding these accounts, but we are yet to receive a response. we did notice that just in the last 24 hours before publishing the majority these accounts have been taken down. and it is worth noting that at this stage there is no indication that the trump campaign are involved. >> erin, fascinating though, and incredible as you were they knew about it and you had reached out that those accounts suddenly disappeared and credible reporting, katie, thank you so much. thanks for joining us. the source starts now straight from the source tonight, a battleground blitz, vice president harris on the trail for the first time since accepting the nomination, she's got georgia on her mind and we've got brand-new polling from georgia and the swing states. >> we're going to talk about that coming up plus some new backlash over newly resurfaced tape of donald trump's running mate, j.d. vance disparaging people without kids at this time though childless on the

trump assassination attempt, cnn has learned the woman be assassin's studied a u.s. government document as he hatched his plot. he used that document to help him. it's breaking right here tonight pamela brown in for kaitlan collins. and this is the source the road again and trying to make major inroads with voters in the state where she defied the odds with president biden in 2020, that would be georgia and vice president harris is taking her campaign through gop strongholds and southern georgia. it's part of a two-day tour with her running mate, minnesota governor tim walz their first appearance together in the state and first-time back on the trail since the convention visiting a barbecue joint and dropping by a high school we wanted to combine to remind you that our nation is

counting on you. >> we're so proud of you and everything you have achieved and i will tell you if i was in a band when i was your age so i know a little bit about your coach knows about the players, right and all that well in doing, it requires a whole lot of rehearsal a whole lot of practice. >> but all that practice makes for beautiful music. and that is a metaphor that is symbolic for everything that you will do, your lives and tomorrow in georgia, harris and walz will sit down for their first interview as their parties nominees. >> it airs 24 hours from right now, 9:00 p.m. tomorrow night only right here on cnn, a lot riding on that appearance for the vice president. and as the democratic ticket tries to put the peach state back in play, a brand new poll tonight shows it might already be a fox news survey shows harris gaining ground in sun belt battleground. >> among them, georgia harris with 50% support among

registered voters and donors donald trump, at 48%. >> so incredibly tight within the margin of error, there's no clear leader, but the fact that georgia is competitive, right now is big news in itself. the survey attributes harris's gains too strong support among women, black voters, and young voters so let's take the pulse of the people in georgia and beyond my sources tonight, are multimedia mogul charlemagne tha god, host of the breakfast club radio show, and author of the new book, get honest or die light. why small talk? sucks. >> i could not agree more with that sentiment. and angela, a ride ceo of the political advocacy firm, impact strategies, and the co-host of the native land podcast. >> great to see you both. i'm excited to see what you have to say tonight, charlemagne, let's kick it off with you. you see that poll that i mentioned earlier, it's a snapshot in time, of course no clear leader, but georgia is a swing state. again, that was not the case of president biden. what does this signal to

you? do you think she can keep the momentum going and keep georgia and play? >> oh, absolutely. for them on thank you for having us tonight and absolutely. no, the vp is doing exactly what she needs to be doing. all we all noticed isn't a traditional campaign because it is short windows. she has so she's got to golf now. she's got to leave no stone unturned. she's got to shake every hand she's every baby that is what campaigning is campaigning is explaining yourself and your policies everybody you know, and don't let social media fool you. i like the vibe. what the vibes aren't going to be, what wins you to selection people want policy, people want something tangible that they can feel that can make them feel better about the circ*mstances. and she's gonna have to go out there every single day and explain how she is going to do that for the american people. and she's doing it angela, to bring you in those battleground polls also show donald trump pulling in 19% support from black voters. that is actually triple what he got in 2020. what do you make of that? what is he doing right? to win them over?

>> i don't make anything of these polls that are talking to imaginary black folks. i would love to know for one who they're talking to because i've not, so you think that they don't exert i think that they are maybe, you know, what they might they might be the invisible man that ralph ellison talked about in his book. i don't know who these people are. there was a trump ad that was released, i believe today. that's targeting black women voters. and there are these people who allegedly exist all throughout the country and they're reading script but you can see there i lie and go in over here. and i think some of them might be paid to say some of these things. i'm not sure, but here's what i do know. pam you talked about this not being the case, georgia not being the case for joe biden. joe biden didn't actually win georgia in 2020. and i also want to give some credit to comment harris was been to georgia seven times this year, right. and so i think it's important for us to acknowledge the work that has been done. there, say directors

talked about 35,000 new volunteers on the ground since kamala harris announced they have a well-over 24 offices in that state here doing the work if you do see with polls and what you do hear from folks who are registered voters is that the tide is changing, that they're excited about the change and the excitement that kamala harris brought to the top of the ticket. and i think we really got to give more credit to the work. i'm not getting any credit to these polls. polls ends up, end up being wrong all the time. i've seen polls that say 15%, 19%, 18% of black folks. i don't believe it at all. i really don't. >> so i want to follow up with what you had said about, you know, who are these voters? as i said, that it percent of black voters supporting trump are cnn's ali reeve actually recently spoke to a black voter in virginia who owned the shop that sells probe who trump merchandise. here's what she said about his outreach to black voters. and i'll get your reaction on the other end i think they are succeeding

tremendous like all the things that have happened to president trump, the attacks on him have done nothing more than strengthen black peoples connection to him. >> because now he's someone who is the target of a struggle. and they have always been felt that they've been a target alright, charlemagne, what do you think about that i think that i can't speak for all black people could wait, not monolithic in that that woman cannot speak for all black people because we're not monolithic yeah i think she sounded like to be totally honest. i think she sounds like a damn fool, but that's her opinion and i do feel like you know, democrats democrats do all black people a lot. but last election, 92% of black people voted for democrats. and that has been the case for a long time. i see that being pretty much the case this year as well. >> i want to follow up on what i'm servation real absolutely. did you think the message that

she had on their trump bulletproof 2024, she should at least take that one down. right? like that's just tall, procreate this man just survived an assassination attempt, right? based on reporting on this network that isn't enough itself crazy so to nerds point about a damn fool, i would have to agree with that all right. >> all right. so let's go back charlemagne, to bring you back in earlier this year, i was going back to look at some of your past interviews you've done, right? the dynamic has clearly changed, but when it was a biden-harris ticket, you said that you wouldn't support biden's reelection even if it meant harris it's was vp you told politico in january, that once the two gotten to the white house, harris quote, kind of disappear. he told politico reported that you felt burned by backing her. what is she done specifically now that change your view? >> well, you know, i had an unrealistic expectation of, you know, what, what i expected of her as vice president and the truth of the matter is that just comes into my my belief of her, you know, if you go back and watch an interview

breakfast club in 2018, i told her i didn't and i thought that she could be the president of the united states of america one day. so i had it wasn't i had a belief in her in that, you know over those three-and-a-half years, over the last three-and-a-half, four years, i know that that administration you don't handcuffed her lots of what change did that she's at the top of the ticket now, but her being at the top of the ticket now, you know, she's she's the she's the person that i believed in back in two thousand and 18 that person did kind of disappear over the last three years. but that is the role of the vp. i mean, if you're vice president, you kind of, you know i don't want to say do nothing because he did do a lot. but if you kind of like don't rock the boat and you let the president veto president, you did a great job. you did a great job let me let me just follow up with you because you said, you know, the last administration handcuffed her a lot what makes you say that? >> i know you talked to harris as well has she conveyed that to you? what makes you say that? or is it just like your observation no, she never conveyed that to me. >> i just know that that's what

that's what i observed. you know, she's she's the vice president that the vice president's role of vice president's role is to push the agenda of the president and you know, support, support the president. and she did that, you know, very well. but she's not she still the vp, but she's at the top of the ticket running then be the president. and i think that, you know, over the last three to four weeks, the person that i know that that's not supporting way back in 2017. that's who i'm seeing front and center right now and i love it. >> yeah. because you had said also earlier this year, she could still pivot. it seems like what you're saying is she has pivoted so your liking definitely pivoted like, you know, i also said that the language of politics is dead and you know, if you hear a lot of the things that she's saying now, she's really speaking her mind, like, you know, earlier today she said donald trump is out of his out of his mind. >> she shouldn't say out to his mother effing mind. but, you know, she was she was writing that sentiment too. >> all right. to bring you and angela because charlemagne at the beginning, you said, look, she needs to focus on policy and the issues that impact the voter directly and angela, on that note, today, you have more

than a dozen congressional democrats that are telling cnn that harris actually doesn't need to be specific about our policy proposals. they say this race is all about character. what do you do you say to that angela i think it's both and i think to the point linaro made earlier about black folks not being monolithic. >> there's not a single type of voter that votes the exact way for the same reasons either. so it is important for folks to get to know a kamala harris at the top of the ticket could start with the mere pronunciation of her name. we could start with understanding that she is actually an american citizen. we can start with the fact that she's the most qualified person to ever run for the presidency. so there are a number of things that do need to be fact-checked and clarified. and i also think that the media has a responsibility to be fair to kamala harris when the nara talked about her pivoting and her being in obscurity essentially, it's not because she wasn't doing the work. a lot of the work that she was doing wasn't being covered. right? we know that when the

everybody else on social media and there was this, this excitement around her announcement. all of the sudden the media say ratings, we going to follow this. but that's how it was happening before, right? and so i think there's an acknowledgement that we all have to make that she is doing the work she has been clear about her policy proposals. her website might not be all the way ready because all of us were surprised by joe biden pulling out. but those things are all in the works and i think she'd been very clear on this bus tour throughout georgia all at the dnc, she's been i'm clear about what she wants to do and she'll continue to be clear, especially when she does this interview tomorrow on this network and we will all go. i want to be back on. angela rye said, yes, people want policy i don't i don't know who those people are that are saying that they don't necessarily more positive, just want personality, people want policy. and she has to go out there over and talk about that character. >> yeah she was she policies she has to go through and continued to talk about rebuilding the middle-class, talk about one everyone to have the opportunity to own a business, to own a home, and

talking about how you want to keep health care and grocery costs low. >> those are her positions and she has to speak to that, explain that every single chance she gets because there is a lot of excitement in the party, a lot of new registered voters in light of new voters registered, but there is still a lot of undecideds. there's still those hypothetical swing voters. there are still those independents. and if all those folks got questions, she has to answer them and that is what running for president is all about. so yes, pupil want policy and they want to hear about policy, charlamagne, tha god, angela rye, so great to have you both on. >> thank you so much for your time. and up next, breaking new details on an altercation involving the trump campaign at arlington national cemetery confirmed by trump running mate jd at vance just today, plus, we have some new reporting on trump's would-be assassin. what investigators found on his electronic devices. and the first picture first of his infamous god a lot of people in america were watching. and then the next day, our world change

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member had a little disagreement with somebody and they have turned the media has turned this into a national news story. tom spokesman is blaming the cemetery official claiming that they tried to physically block campaign staff. >> we should note that federal law prohibits any campaign or election-related activities within army, national military cemeteries, which is notable because the trump campaign posted this video on tiktok promoting his visit to the cemetery what person and then they do that disaster leaving my source tonight is new york times senior political correspondent maggie haberman. >> maggie, your reporting this hour on new reaction to that tiktok we just showed. tell us more about what you're learning right? so pan my colleagues and i have reporting from another family that has a soldier

buried in that section 60, which very restricted section it is for people, for soldiers who were, who died after serving in iraq and afghanistan for the most part, this is a family who the soldier quest jenny was a master sergeant, andrew marcus, sono. he died by suicide in 2020 and he had served multiple tours, combat tours, including in afghanistan, but not only and his grave site was caught in pictures as trump was posing with the grave site of another sergeant. at the same section. now that other surgeons family had indeed said they would like trump there, as you noted, these these gold-star families welcomed him as you also noted, the rules of cemetery or that campaign photography campaign filming is not permitted photographs that are going to be used for election purposes. and the market sono families certainly was not contacted or asked for this, but his

gravestone is now in that tiktok video from behind that trump posted on tiktok, he's also hit the front of the grave site with his name he's in pictures were posted online with trump posing with a thumbs up and they were very clear, the family in a statement to us that they really support this other family and other families that lost people in the abbey gate bombing during in kabul and afghanistan. but that this is a restricted area and that they would hope that everyone would be respectful of that it was a restrained statement, but it was very clearly displeased yeah. >> what does the trump campaign saying to this family, to your reporting when we ask them to respond, they would not directly address what the family said when asked about a tiktok video, they wouldn't address whether they would continue using the gravestone images, just saying something to the effect of we continue to honor the wishes of the gold-star families melissa, who supported him, that former

president trump, being there, which again there their families are not a monolith when it comes to military families, when it comes to families connected to any tragedy people don't see things the same. >> the broader issue here is there is a federal law in place, and so far the trump camp the pain has yet to provide documentation of its claim that it was permitted to do this and there was an agreement. >> right. because trump's team is suggesting that they actually have video to prove what they say happened why not release it? >> i'd like them to rely hope they would release it. they should release it if they have videos suggesting this shows the confrontation is not as described. they've claimed that they had permission to be there. there is nothing to support that i want to add one other note, pam, that was important from our story tonight which is that we have reporting that the official in question at arlington cemetery should file the report, but then she declined to press charges and military official said that she was afraid that she was going to be retaliated against by trump's supporters. it's worth noting that the trump campaign targeted her,

suggesting she was having a mental health episode well trump for his part, also went on a repost each spree today, as i know, you've seen maggie, including one that kind of makes my stomach full sick. >> it involves both hillary clinton and kamala harris with a crude sexual reference that suggested that harris use sexual favors to vance her career. we are not going to show that post and the harris campaign responded to all his truthing saying, quote, donald trump is out of his mind. but what does this signal to you about trump's thinking and how kamala harris is getting under his skin well, there's two things going on. pam. one is that trump just likes posting things like this. we have seen him do this for years. this is not this extreme. this is, this is pretty explicit but he has, he has toyed around the edges of this kind of thing for a very long time and he did something recently, a similar type of repost on social media

along as lines. so i think part of it is, it just plays to what he wants to be talking about and enjoys part of it is i think that he believes that this is going to amplify or people around him believe this it's will amplify these claims of his and get people talking about them. and that is always the risk and talking about these things is that it does spread into a broader audience. but i think he has been trying to bait kamala harris and her supporters into a fight about race, of fight about gender and that's what this speaks to. and i think that they have for the most part ignored it all right. >> maggie haberman. thank you so much next, j.d. vance pushing back tonight at criticism over another remarks that he wants made about childless americans only my next guest by name everything you want is right tear disney

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fabletics.com. i was all alvarez traveling with the harris-walz campaign in georgia. this is cnn did i donald trump's running mate, ohio senator j.d. vance is facing some fresh scrutiny for yet another disparaging remarks he made in the past about people who aren't parents. vance, of course, has been criticized for his 2021 dig at quote, childless cat ladies, that's a comment that he says was a sarcastic joke. it did her crowds, but in a newly resurfaced video from that same year, he blasted a teachers union president for not having children of her own so many of the leaders of the left. >> and i hate to be so personal about this, but there people without kids trying to brainwash the minds of our children. >> and that really disorients me and it really disturbs me. randi weingarten, who is the head of the most powerful teachers union in the country. she doesn't have a single child if she wants to brainwash and destroy the minds of children, she should have some of our own and leave ours the hell alone well, you just heard

her name there. >> my source tonight is randi weingarten president of the american federation of teachers high randi. you're shaking your head. what's your reaction? >> i mean, look i used to right-wing taking shots at me i mean, they don't like unions. they don't like public schools told us that and they've said you know, chris rufo and others that they're going to try to create great public school distress. so i'm used to that but this is what's so crude and gross about what he did here where at the start of the school year teachers and parents need right now to really connect with each other so that we can help kids engage. that's number one thing that parents want of public schools for their kids. they want them to thrive. they want them to engage, they want them to have a love of

learning. >> so when the guy who's running for vice president now takes on every teacher who doesn't get a coup he thinks doesn't have kids. >> by the way. i have kids by marriage but every teacher thanks doesn't have kids. >> and takes on every modern family at the same time, takes on catholic nuns, takes on new teachers who haven't gotten married. it i mean, what is he doing? what is he thinking but for me, what's worse about this? is that it makes it harder for teachers and parents. it makes it harder for kids when he goes on with this rubbish that's what's bad about this. he knows better than this. you should take some responsibility, at least at the start of the school year, as we're trying to really help kids get into school again and he made those comments and 2021, but he had more to say

about double them to that. >> yeah. exactly. he doubled down. >> he didn't shy away in apologize. >> he didn't you know, let's actually listen to it and then we can talk about that at the other side. so let's listen i mean i didn't criticize randi weingarten for not having kids i criticized her for wanting to brainwash mind is that how you heard it that he he wasn't criticizing you for not having kids? well, first, he criticized i mean, maybe he didn't listen to his own tape from 2021, but the fact he doubled down on teachers today and it's just pathetic. like he has no idea how i teach and what i taught you should have come into one of my classrooms love if i may be teaching. again, this spring, college teaching this spring, i'll invite him to a classroom. i taught at cornell last spring. my kids just fyi we're

champions state and city champions in the constitution and the bill of rights. we teach kids how to think, not what to think week takes kids to critically think. we teach kids compassion. we teach kids caring. we teach kids communication skills. we teach kids skills. so that they can thrive in america. i have no idea why he would even think that that kind of teaching is brainwashing. >> i think there must be something wrong with this guy well, you have invited him now on this show to sit in one of your classes, will see if he takes you up on that invitation randi weingarten thank you. so much but let's dive in with two of the best in the business, kristen soltis anderson, republican strategist and pollster, and simon rosenberg, a veteran democratic strategist alright, so let's dive right and you just heard that conversation i have with

randy and you do have to wonder how much these comments that are now resorting overseeing from j.d. vance said he's having to respond to on the trail is impacting him in terms of the polls, when you look at the latest polling right now, can you discern if j.d. vance is helping or hurting trump as his running mate. so i still believe that for the most part, i'll the punditry about how much did the vice presidential candidates matter? they still matter very little, right? donald trump is such a force of nature, such a polarizing figure you love him or you don't, that he is really, really, really the driver of whether you are going to pull the lever for donald trump. if you may be liked donald trump? if somebody like j.d. vance really going to turn you off or are you already have decided what type of politician you like what i think is so frustrating about that clip that you just showed is right now republicans have an advantage on a lot of issues. the economy issues like immigration and every time clips come up, we're instead they've gone for a personal attack instead of something that's really rooted in policy even if they can claim it's

taken out of context, et cetera it's meaning that they're not fighting on the most effective battlefield. it means that they're not doing the sort of thing that actually is going to bring in those voters who maybe don't love their options, but are looking for who's going to agree with them on the issues every time you make it personal, you are getting away from policy and you're making it harder for those swing voters to come to your side. >> and we're going to dive a little bit deeper into it to crime and the economy, what voters think about that. but simon, the latest fox news poll shows in four battleground states tim walz's net favorability is up. i believe three points while jd vance's underwater by five zero points, how much does this actually hurt or help the total ticket in terms of votes you heard which christie had to say, do you agree with? >> well, i think i think he's a drag on the ticket i mean, first of all, we know that he's j.d. vance, j.d vance is the most unpopular vice presidential pick in modern polling history and he's also generating a lot of negative news. i mean, the other thing is that these old stories like tonight, this is like every couple of days there's some crazy statement he made in a

podcast or white wing event that is creating negative news for the trump campaign. so he's not helping the trump campaign. i think he's continuing to drive it to the right to make them look like extremist. i mean, when kamala harris said the other night that what was the line two years that they've gone crazy, about this kind of stuff that he was talking i think it's reinforcing the extremism of the ticket. and there was no olive branch. he could have picked. trump could have picked a vp that could have been an olive branch to never trumpers or independence. he doubled down on extremist maga politics. and so i think this was a huge mistake and i think it's hurt the trump campaign. >> and of course he doubled down vance pick, right? yeah. because joe biden was still his running mate. he thought he started running mate. his opponent. he thought he handed the bag obviously, things have changed now with kamala harris as the democratic presidential nominee. >> when you look at the polls on those key issues, as you were talking about the economy and crime trump is generally lead harris and pulling on these issues, the latest reuters ipsos poll showed her gaining on him though, on the economy, trump previously had

an 11 point advantage on crime. >> he was leading by five points. so now it's even can this momentum keep going or do you expect things to settle? >> i think voters are still trying to figure out who kamala harris is. i think things like the interview that happens on this network tomorrow night are going to be really informative for voters who are trying to figure out route what does kamala harris really stand for? because she's stood for things in the past that she says she now doesn't stand for. i think sorting some of that out will be very informative. but the reality is that voters were looking for change and whether they view her as a breath of fresh air somebody who's new. oh goodness, i didn't want to trump biden rematch. and now we finally have have another option or she's part of the biden-harris administration. do they view her as more of the same? that is, i think the axis on which this whole election is going to start to turn. >> yeah. so when you look at this interview tomorrow night, the stakes as you laid out there, chris, it's a huge deal. stakes are high for kamala harris, also tim walz, i mean, he's relatively unknown, know as well. right. so it's huge for both of them and it can really sway how things go from

here on out. >> yeah. listen, i mean, this has been so wild the last few weeks. every day, we're learning more about what the harris-walz ticket is going to be and what they're fighting for. and so far things are going unbelievably well for us. i mean, we had a great convention last week. there's unprecedented susie, has and the money that's being raised is remarkable. there's been about six to seven point shift in national pollings towards us, those fox polls were very encouraging for us we feel good about where we are. we feel good about our ticket, the democratic party this was my month convention and i've never seen the democratic party more excited. are you unified than it was last week, but i heard, i heard him not to say that this horrible can happen at the rnc. >> everyone was saying this is the best we've got it all. and look where things are now and we won big mistake with anything wrong tomorrow night, but i would much rather be us than them as we go into this close. i mean, i think one of the things that's going to become more apparent is this, all this money and these volunteers that we have are just going to make. we're going to have a more powerful close

in these final few months. the election and i think we have a look. i also think that kamala harris tapped into some very powerful emotions and sensibilities that are very american. this idea of freedom and opportunity and all the american flags you saw the veterans. she's tapping into deeply patriotic and love of country sentiments that i think are going to carry us through election day. and so we feel good about where we are we going a long way to go, but we feel good. >> we had a long way to go. all right? kristen soltis-anderson, simon rosenberg. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> up next, newly released video of former house speaker nancy pelosi, hours after the january 6 attack declared brynn donald trump must pay a price tomorrow. >> the most anticipated interview of this election why harris and tim walz sit down with dana bash for the first interview, harris and walz, a cnn exclusive tomorrow at nine

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the attack pointing to moments like this we have responsibility terri we did not have any accountability for what was going on there, and we should have this is ridiculous. why weren't the national guard there to begin with they thought that they had sufficient not question they don't know. if they clearly didn't know. and i take responsibility for not having them just prepare for because it's do should be in a situation because they thought they had what they thought these people would ask civilize people gave us damn now i should note the speaker of the house is not responsible for capitol security. she also complained the national guard wasn't there sooner, undercutting this idea that she blocked them. >> but do you see how or do you agree that this gives her critics on the right ammo? no.

only if you rip it completely out of context. remember that donald trump sat on his hands or sat around on his couch watching the violence unfold from his oval office suite and refused to send out the national guard. so i think the point nancy pelosi was making was why did we ever trust donald trump and the executive branch of government to help us? we should have insisted from the beginning that they send the national guard out and in the future, obviously we'll have to do that since they've created a new low for standards of political behavior in the country. remember the americans never seen anything like what happened on january 6, the closest was in 18 61 when abraham lincoln was elected in there pro confederate, pro, a secessionist forces out there

but general winfield scott said, if anybody tries to get into the building that he would release the cannons on them and manure the fields of arlington with their bodies but we didn't have any support like that from the executive branch of government. and despite all of the desperate calls for the national guard to be sent out, not just by democrats, but by republicans who got trump on the phone. trump did nothing so i think she if she would expressing an exasperations, it was we should have known that donald trump was capable of anything, and we should have tried to deal with this problem before the rose. >> let me just follow up with you because the republican led committee that obtained this video says the january 6 committee actually had this same footage that we just showed but chose not to release that. they're trying to say that the january 6 committee didn't release it because they thought that it would make them look bad or working against their case. what do you say to that? why wasn't it released

by? the committee? >> i never i never saw that in of course, we have thousands and thousands of hours worth of video footage. most of it offered by insurrectionists and proud boys and oath keepers themselves who were filming and documenting everything. look, this is an attempt to cloud the issue and confused with everybody knows happen. donald trump got to the concerned women for america first and the other right-wing groups and said no, don't rally on january 20, rally on january 6, this thing isn't over yet. he went on social media and promised his followers a wild event. then he read them with a speech that used the word fight a couple of dozen times and said, you've got to go and fight and fight like hell. and if you don't, you're not going to have a country anymore then he unleashed the maga mob on the capitol on his own vice president in the middle of the attack on congress when he drove us out of our chamber

they were chanting, hang mike pence, hang mike pence. and donald trump tweeted out mike pence did not have the courage to do what needed to be done so if afterwards we were saying my god, how did we let donald trump get away with this? we should have insisted, we should have made it a fight over the national guard beforehand. that's understandable, that hardly makes us responsible for donald donald trump's incitement of violent insurrection against the union. and then you're to send out troops to defend us because we've covered january 6 but on that note, everything you just laid out there, right now, you have donald trump on the trail saying once again that the election is rigged. >> if i lose, i mean, he said it repeated he didn't lead. now, i mean, he is laying the groundwork in the same way he did in 2020 in the same way he did four years before that, right president biden, when he was running for office, focus a lot on trump being a threat to democracy. he focus a lot on january 6, and this kind of rhetoric from trump, you're not hearing that focus that messaging from the harris

campaign. do you think that's a mistake or do you think that's the right move hello, i'm hearing it loud and clear. >> i mean, but what i'm seeing is the harris campaign properly laying out what the relationship is between democracy and freedom. democracy exists to protect our freedom is abraham lincoln said it is the beautiful silver frame upon which the golden apple of liberty rests. and the rule of law is there to protect our democracy. now, donald trump and his cult of personality is against all of them, against our freedom as we saw by him packing the supreme court to destroy roe versus wade against our democracy as we saw on january 6, and against the rule of law as he tramples it every single day and he's a convicted felon himself. so we've got to defend the rule of law, democracy and freedom at the same time, an insurrection is no trivial matter from the perspective of the founding fathers in the constitution, i can find you a half dozen different places in the constitution where

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breaking news coming in, new details in what authorities found searching donald trump's would-be assassins electronics, cnn, chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller is breaking the story. what do we learn? and john? >> well, pam, when they went through the gunman's electronics, one of the things they found was a document about what is an ied and improvised explosive device. what are the key elements of an ied, meaning the essential parts and hardware. what can an ied be made of in terms of energetic material, meaning, which are the best explosives the four-page document is still on line on the dhs website. and the question that we asked the department of homeland security, since according to our sources, the gunman didn't just have this in his searches. he downloaded images of all four pages and he kept the document indicating he wanted to for our back to it is does this document have too much

information for a document that's not law enforcement sensitive, not just meant for bomb squad community people, but for anybody with a google search. the department of homeland security answered by saying, the department provides information to the the american american public to protect against a range of security threats, which is not exactly the answer to our question. did it have too much information in it? >> and this potentially could have led to i mean, to a very serious security threat well, it's an interesting it's an interesting debate in that, you know, it's a step board and transparency, but perhaps a step forward too far and the research he did into explosives included a lot of the elements that this document kind of set forth out. >> basically indicating this is what you would need to do two in terms of steps and what you'd need to know versed i also want to ask you about these new pictures coming in that we have from the fbi of the gun that the shooter, u.s.

>> he had explosives in his car. we know how much worse could this have been given? what we know now? >> well, i mean, what we learned from the images is that this is an ar 15 platform and people wondered, why could he, how could he walk around in that crowd with a car full of explosives, remote controlled bombs, which of course he probably learned about by studying those points on the internet. how can he walk? around with a rifle and not be spotted by police or all those other people. and the second picture they gave us, which is the rifle, deconstructed the beryl has been removed, the stock has been folded back, shows that it would have fit inside that backpack, which would have allowed him to beyond detected climb up to that roof and then he was only there for six minutes from the time he climbed to the roof cross multiple rooftops that connected and then open fire with those eight shots as police tried to close in yeah. >> these developments certainly very chilling john miller.

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